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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER You are every bit a constructive skeptic, and as I was writing that comment I thought it had been too long since we talked! These are four great questions and I'll try to at least get something constructive going in the constrained form of a tweet-thread. /1Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER Q.1: that is definitely one form it takes, but in the broadest form you could think of it as the search for alternatives to the "trust tax" whereby the corporation is the only monetizer of trust and guarantor of business trust. See Sam Smith here: medium.com/selfrule/meta-platforms-and-cooperative-network-of-networks-effects-6e61eb15c586 /2Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER I tend to think that both LESS and Trustless forms of economic experimentation sometimes risk undervaluing bottom-up trust and governance, however. Q.3 can be centralizing if they are aligned with simple class interests or "consumer rights"-- coming from the far left, I tend /3On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER to think of cross-class coalitions as ways to build collective bargaining from the bottom-up. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I think the term spans both extremes. @mydataorg ta, @me2balliance Me2B, and others working on consent & data rights are very careful about centralizatn./4Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance Q2: That's why I prefer "decentralization," because collective rights are more important to me than atomized consumers and individuals. @TrusteeHIE and others working in medical data have taught me a lot about the limitations of individual data control. /5Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE Q4: I couldn't agree more-- I think decentralization is a goal, and much of our work trades one kind for another, often kicking the can down the road and swapping one kind of concentration for another. Obviously "cloud neutrality" keeps me up at night! wired.com/story/we-need-to-talk-about-cloud-neutrality/ /6Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE But @Nextclouders and @Holochain are doing great work in this regard, to lay the groundwork for common-good and bottoms-up control of the cloud; let's pray for swift progress there. At the core of the D.I. community, this topic is a standing debate: stories.jolocom.com/interoperability-between-de-centralized-identity-providers-baa297eb1aa8 /7Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain One last point, @JockelLohkamp has consistently pushed for this debate to be foregrounded and not deferred or sidelined. He's pushed for a kind of self-critique along these lines to be included in the DID core spec (not sure the status): github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot9-prague/blob/master/topics-and-advance-readings/rubrics.md /8Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp Actually, @IdentityWoman has inspired me to put more "content" on my anemic "blog"-- would you mind if I included your diagram and tweet in that content farming operation, @Sheldrake ?Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp @IdentityWoman Oh, and I didn't answer Q5: I actually am not a huge fan of the triangle you're referring to, I think they are an MBA-style schematization of relations of power into business relationships that can be rigidified by contracts, just as you stated. Good for building a business /9Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp @IdentityWoman model you can show to your investors, good for stabilizing relations, not necessarily awesome for [bottoms-up] data sovereignty. Then again, if the alternative is status quo, bringing data practice into slightly closer alignment with sustainable incentives and social practice,/10Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp @IdentityWoman while not exactly a socio-economic revolution, is at least harm reduction. I think using political terminology loosely sets up business writers to create unrealistic "hopes" as you put it, and often bites us in the ass when actual policy people with PoliSci degrees read our /11Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp @IdentityWoman bombastic Medium posts and marketing materials 🤣Permalink On twitter.com
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@Sheldrake @hackylawyER @mydataorg @me2balliance @TrusteeHIE @Nextclouders @Holochain @JockelLohkamp @IdentityWoman In summary, the answer to all 5 questions is this: there is a better and a worse way to do/conceive/build the thing you're pointing to, so your critiques are all on-point summaries of open questions. Distrust anyone who hand-waves away any of the 5 and offers silver bullets!Permalink On twitter.com